FSFE intervenes against Apple before EUCJ for the second time

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FSFE intervenes against Apple before EUCJ for the second time

(fsfe.org)

by M95D

freedomben
111d
The FSF/FSFE are often criticized for being too ideological to the point of impracticality (and yes I do lol at the pictures of RMS' laptop), but the more time goes on, the more correct and important that ideological stance seems to become. We are headed for a tech dystopia, and we must fight it. If not for us, for the rising generation that may never get to experience the hacker delights that we got to. Kudos to them for fighting the good fight.
1. piyuv
  01d
  Due to the Overton window shifting so much, FSF should not be considered radical anymore. It’s the absolute minimum, even.
2. noirscape
  31d
  The FSFE isn't nearly as impractical as the FSF is. Unlike the FSF, they're actually getting results, typically by lobbying politicians and trying to get governments to require that the code made for them is publicly available. From everything I've seen of them, they're much more capable of meeting people where they're at; take this lawsuit as an example.
  The FSF wouldn't participate in a lawsuit like this because from the FSFs ideological perspective, the mistake is allowing Apple to have a closed source system to begin with (because they declared victory in the 90s and since then have shifted towards blaming users for not using Free Software); at most you'd see a head-up-ass press release after the lawsuit is settled, because that's what the FSF usually does; probably easier than actually putting in the effort to do anything to advance Free Software politically. The FSFe from what I can read in this post is actually cognizant that Apple actually has a market share and that opening up application development on Apple devices is a major step to ensuring a healthy Free Software ecosystem.
  The FSF these days is a decrepit organization whose primary purpose in practice is to enable Richard Stallman to not have to participate in modern society and to host his philosophical screeds. It's issues are so specific to it that in terms of FOSS, they're a historical artifact at most. Even in the US, the SFC does more for the average free software developer (ref. the recent Bambu incident where they stepped up to help a developer from getting legal nastygrams from the company in question.)
3. Tomte
  51d
  FSFE distanced itself from FSF at one point: https://fsfe.org/news/2021/news-20210324-01.en.html
  1. my-next-account
    41d
    TIL, they're back supporting each other (scroll to the bottom):
    Update 2026-01-26
    To recap, in March 2021, the FSFE was forced to suspend our collaboration with the FSF to protect our work for software freedom from their apparent disregard for fostering a safe and welcoming community for software freedom advocates. At the time, we also hoped it would be an effective way of getting them to change into a more welcoming, appealing, and ultimately effective organization working to advance software freedom.
    Meanwhile, the FSF has been changing: they have appointed Zoë Kooyman their executive director, they have adopted a code of ethics for their voting members, they have brought on new board members, they have recently elected a new president, Ian Kelling, a staffer first nominated to the board by their staff union in 2021, and they have had Eko K. A. Owen join the FSF board as their new union staff representative. They have changed from an organization synonymous with its founder to one led by staff committed to software freedom.
    As a result, the FSFE has come to believe we can best advance software freedom, and foster a respectful, inclusive community around both of us, by working together with the FSF once more.